It's been awhile since I've put someone in the spotlight for the It's About TV Interview, a process so terrifying that it's been known to send people fleeing in abject horror. But enough about the readers... (And, by the way, they love the subjects; it's the interviewer himself that they can do without.)
However, David Hofstede, author of the Comfort TV website, has bravely stepped into the breech to talk about the upcoming second edition of his book,When Television Brought Us Together: Celebrating the Shows and Values That Shaped America's First Television Viewing Generations. That's a hell of a title for a hell of a good book, and David was most gracious and generous with his time in agreeing to sit in the hot seat for our latest interview.
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It's About TV: I love your idea of "Comfort TV," which plays such a big part as a concept in When Television Brought Us Together. How did that idea come about, and how would you define it to the ordinary person today who probably doesn't even know television existed before twenty minutes ago?
David Hofstede: The idea originated with my blog, which I started back in 2012 when the market for classic TV books had dwindled because of the internet. I needed a new outlet to share my thoughts about the era of television that I love, and that seemed like the best option.
As for what “comfort TV’ is – I think for most of us it’s the shows we grew up with, shows we shared with our family and friends. A connection is forged with them, so we enjoy revisiting them as adults not only for the joy they first brought us, but for the happy memories we associate with them. And as we’ve watched the country and the culture undergo profound changes since they first aired, they also provide a sanctuary when current events become too disillusioning.
How would you define the era of "comfort TV"? Is it chronological, for example the 1950s through the 1970s, or is it by genre? In other words, are there programs from the recent past that you would say belong in the Comfort Era?
For me it’s the 1950s through the ‘70s, and into the ‘80s as well. I think for a series to generate the kind of warm nostalgic feelings associated with Comfort TV there has to be a familiarity that only grows with the passage of time. For those younger than us I see that happening with a terrific show like Gilmore Girls, which ran from 2000-2007 and is now a favorite series to revisit for those in their 40s.
Now, enter When Television Brought Us Together. Obviously, it's an outgrowth of the blog, but what specifically caused you to take a book-length approach to the topic?
It certainly started with the blog, but it also grew out of an effort to take a macro view of the three-network era of television - what were its defining characteristics, and why did it resonate so deeply with the generations that grew up with its shows? It certainly had its critics back in the day, as evidenced by TV Guide essays penned by egghead intellectuals who looked down on much of its product. But looking back, I think we were fortunate to have the guard rails put in place by the Code of Practice for Television Broadcasters; to have writers like Roswell Rogers and Rod Serling and Carl Reiner and Sterling Silliphant delivering smart scripts on tight deadlines, and to embrace characters across every genre providing examples of responsibility and integrity. We learned good things from those shows, even if we didn't realize it at the time.
When Television Brought Us Together implies several things, chief among them that it no longer performs this function. Am I reading something into that, or do you feel this way as well, that it either can't bring us together, or that it actively tries to drive us apart?
It can’t bring us together anymore – not with hundreds of channels and streaming services showing thousands of programs. Widow’s Bay, the Apple TV series that just swept the Emmy Awards, is watched by an average of 2.5 million people. That’s about 0.72% of the country. Only the Super Bowl still attracts the level of viewership numbers that would qualify television as a mass medium.
You make some wonderful observations in the book about how classic-era television shows present values that seem almost quaint today, such as your rhetorical question as to why Bewitched's Darrin doesn't simply let Samantha wiggle her nose and take care of everything herself. Presumably, between Sam and (I Dream of) Jeannie, Darrin and Tony were set for life. They'd won the lottery, and married beautiful women besides. Yet it doesn't seem to have occurred to either one of them to take financial advantage of that. What does that same about them--or, perhaps more pointed, what does it say about our values today?
What is says about them is that they were products of mid-20th century America, when there was perceived nobility in an honest day’s work that extended from the custodial staff to the executive suite, and maxims like “You don’t get something for nothing” were universally understood. What does it say about us now? It’s hard not to wonder whether the bedrock values that sustained us through centuries are now at risk from a systematic dismantling of Western culture. I know that’s pretty heavy stuff when we’re talking about I Dream of Jeannie. But ask yourself how men competing in women’s sports would have been perceived in the Comfort TV era. Or the Lindsay Clancy trial, or the growing favorable view of socialism. As I posit in the chapter on Dragnet, what would Sgt. Joe Friday think of L.A. as a sanctuary city?
God forbid, those elected officials would be in line for one of Joe's famous "Listen, mister" lectures!
(Laughs.)
You have sections in the book on "How times have changed," where you take certain aspects of modern life and show how these changes have affected television shows and the tropes that used to be pretty common back in the day. Tell us a little about that, and if you think there's anything that's replaced them as an effective trope?
I wanted this to be more than a book about TV – I wanted to reflect on the times when these shows were new – what life in America was like back then, and how much of how we live and work and play in 2026 is different. What we’ve gained, and more so what we’ve lost, and how that is illuminated in the sitcoms and dramas from that time.
One of the reasons these shows have such enduring appeal is the opportunity they provide to revisit the world they inhabited. As an example, there is a “How times have changed” essay in the book about photography. Back then snapshots of a child’s birthday or a family vacation were treasured things, to be stored in an album and revisited through the years. Now we have cameras in our phones that instantly deliver thousands of images, and people take selfies of every routine activity. It’s easier, certainly more convenient, but there’s nothing special about it anymore.
One of the impressions that one gets from social media is that younger generations are, well, let’s say ignorant of the past. Not just television, but life in general. If you were going to choose, say, a half-dozen shows as examples of what the would used to be like, what would they be?
One of my guilty pleasures is watching reactor channels on YouTube, and smiling as 20-somethings discover the Beatles and Casablanca and The Twilight Zone. Some of those videos get hundreds of thousands of views, and I find it reassuring that at least some of the iconic artistic achievements from the past are being rediscovered. My hope is that the shows celebrated in the book will also continue to find an audience and not get lost amidst a TV landscape with infinite choices. Will anyone still care about The Brady Bunch, The Mary Tyler Moore Show and I Love Lucy in 25 years? I don’t know. But I think they’d like them if they tried them.
Are we just old, or is television really worse than it used to be? I’ve asked this before, but why? And did this have to happen, or was there a turning point, an event that really altered our cultural perspective on television?
I can’t assess the current state of television because I gave up on it more than a decade ago. My viewing these days is limited to news, sports and General Hospital. I’m sure there are new scripted shows that are great. If there’s a difference between then and now it’s in how success for a series is measured, which also touches on how the economics of the medium have changed. In the three-network era creators strived to appeal to the widest possible audience, in a way that would not risk offending viewers and advertisers because, with few exceptions, ratings were the sole arbiter of success or failure. Now those guard rails are gone, and more provocative shows can target a 12-episode season to a niche audience.
For those who think this book sounds familiar, this is actually an updated version of the original edition from a few years back. For those of us who have and enjoyed the original, what's new in this edition?
About 20 new chapters, updates and revisions to previous chapters, and lots of photos.
We've both been accused in the past of being on the conservative side of the political aisle. Is there anything ideological in what we're talking about, or is the idea that we're political reactionaries just a lot of hot air?
It’s apparent to me that views considered mainstream in the Comfort TV era are now branded as conservative or even far-right. I can’t change that, nor do I think a different label negates their validity. Readers will find those views upheld in “How times have changed” essays on healthcare and schools and journalism. Anyone watching how Dr. Alex Stone treats patients and parents on The Donna Reed Show, or the classroom scenes from any vintage family situation comedy, or observing in Lou Grant how Lou demanded accuracy and objectivity from his reporters, may wonder why those values have fallen out of favor.
It's not all doom-and-gloom, though, and I hope I haven't given readers an inaccurate picture of When Television Brought Us Together. It's delightful, charming, nostalgic, and fun, and not just for us relics from the Comfort TV era. Anyone with any affection for the classic era of television is going to like this book.
We’ve touched on some serious topics, but I don’t want people to think the book is some scholarly treatise. It’s fun, and often funny (I hope!) and crafted to generate happy memories. Any book that celebrates the music of Kaptain Kool and the Kongs can’t be all that stuffy.
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Mitchell here. Thanks again, David, for taking some time with the infamous It's About TV Interview. I don't think it's a secret for readers that I'm a friend of David's, and a big fan of his writing. Therefore, you might expect that, well, of course I'm going to give a positive reading to the book. But you've got to take me seriously here, folks, because this really is a terrific book, and it accomplishes the task of being both lighthearted and humorous on one hand, and serious and insightful on the other. That's not an easy thing to do, and David does it so well here.
If you've got the first edition of When Television Brought Us Together, you're going to want this updated edition for many reasons, not the least of which being the new content that David mentioned. And if you didn't get it back then, now's the time to rectify that mistake! TV
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